Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[Redleaf]

@drosennhl

Lamoriello just confirmed that DeBoer is under contract next season and will be coaching the Devils next season.

Fine by me. He was already getting hyped way too much. I don't think he could have lived up to the expectations.

It's going to be a real tough gig for even the most experienced of coaches, and I believe experience will play a big factor in whether or not the new guy has a shot of sticking around for more than a season or two.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Another coach that may be available.

Barry Trotz won't be back as Nashville coach: http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2014/04/14/barry-trotz-out-as-nashville-predators-coach/7696215/?sf24994954=%5B%271%27%5D

And from the presser today:

@reporterchris 

Dave Nonis: "I think Randy Carlyle is a good coach. That's as far as I'll go."

 

[L K]

Another coach that may be available.

Barry Trotz won't be back as Nashville coach: http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2014/04/14/barry-trotz-out-as-nashville-predators-coach/7696215/?sf24994954=%5B%271%27%5D

And from the presser today:

@reporterchris 

Dave Nonis: "I think Randy Carlyle is a good coach. That's as far as I'll go."

Dave Nonis: "I think the coach is good.  I assembled the players.  The players are at fault.  GM and Coach aren't."

Accountability in the management structure of the Leafs is lacking IMO.  Nonis bores me to be honest.  I don't think he really has a track record of being all that good anywhere he has gone.

 

[Highlander]

Randy has tread marks on his back from where Nonis just threw him under the bus? Good for you Dave, can you make that bus back up for a few more passes over Mr.Sudsbury

 

[Redleaf]

Nonis tip-toed around coaching question. But his tone said it clearly: Randy Carlyle is gone. #Leafs
11:31am - 14 Apr 14

 

[AvroArrow]

Another coach that may be available.

Barry Trotz won't be back as Nashville coach: http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2014/04/14/barry-trotz-out-as-nashville-predators-coach/7696215/?sf24994954=%5B%271%27%5D

Anybody know what style of coach he is?

 

[Highlander]

He is a defensive specialist, which means he tries to eliminate shots against, unlike someone we know, he is very good with young players and blending them with the experienced guys. The main complaint about Barry is his teams where not scoring machines because they didnt have the guys on offense to carry the team. On the Loafs this is not a problem. Could be a good fit rather than the other retreads.

 

[freer]

Jeffler: The Toronto Maple Leafs' 2945 shots against is the most ever given up in an 82 game season.

We're #1! We're #1! We're #1! We're #1!

Not really the fault of the Leafs' defensive-minded, Stanley Cup-winning coach.

Nope. Absolutely nothing to do with a defensive system that was passive and reactive instead of aggressive and proactive, and left the points wide open all too frequently. Definitely nothing to do with the fact that all 5 Leafs were often inside the hashmarks because that's what the coach's system dictates, either.

Nope. That Carlyle guy was the issue with this.....wait a second....you guys almost had me convinced it was all Randy's fault for a second there....almost.

Randy does not know how to Motivate his players. This makes him a bad coach.

 

[TML fan]

No more defensive coaches.

 

[Redleaf]

No more defensive coaches.

I'm not sure defensive coaches are the answer with this group either. They have mostly offensive defensemen in their lineup. This might have been part of the issue with Randy. These guys just don't want to play defense-first with all the offensive skills they possess.

 

[Highlander]

I guess the thing we need to discuss is whether the players of today, that have guaranteed luxury retirement happen with their first contracts, can be motivated by a coach in todays market, where mid level free agents demand multi year multi million dollar deals. What is the motivation in a 30 team league crying out for a higher level of talent.
I hate to say but with the Original 6, the players had to take summer jobs to make ends meet and because there where only 6 teams if you didnt bring your A game every day, then there where 5 guys ready to do so.  We cannot sit the Kessels, Phanuefs and Clarksons, they will just laugh at you and say "I'm Untouchable, I am Rich and that is beyond your control".
So how much do coaches really need to be blamed (and you know how I feel about Randy). 
We need someone to whom these guys can relate, we need a motivator more than a coach

 

[hockeyfan1]

I guess the thing we need to discuss is whether the players of today, that have guaranteed luxury retirement happen with their first contracts, can be motivated by a coach in todays market, where mid level free agents demand multi year multi million dollar deals. What is the motivation in a 30 team league crying out for a higher level of talent.
I hate to say but with the Original 6, the players had to take summer jobs to make ends meet and because there where only 6 teams if you didnt bring your A game every day, then there where 5 guys ready to do so.  We cannot sit the Kessels, Phanuefs and Clarksons, they will just laugh at you and say "I'm Untouchable, I am Rich and that is beyond your control".
So how much do coaches really need to be blamed (and you know how I feel about Randy). 
We need someone to whom these guys can relate, we need a motivator more than a coach

Exactly.  A motivator, one who knows how to relate to today's hockey-playing athlete.  A Mike Babcock type comes to mind.

A coach AND a GM with a good hockey mind, hockey know-how, smart, sharp, with good hockey knowledge, would be a boon to this franchise once again.

I remember ex-Leaf Rick Vaive who once said, "If you make $100,000 and can't get motivated, something's wrong."

In those days, $100.000 was still considered a sizeable sum.  That was then, this is now.  Different eras, different thinking.  How do you 'motivate' someone making ten times the above-mentioned salary in these times, particularly one who plays for the Toronto Maple Leafs?

 

[Highlander]

Its called "Fat Cat Syndrome" and it affects those who reach a certain if not elevated stretch of success, you work, the rewards go up, you invest in new business which take your time and energy and all of a sudden you forget what brought you to the ball. Its a mental focus and I just watched Shannohan today in the conference and was directly affected by his focus. This is a no bullshit no surrender fellow and believe me, that "Tings are gonna change".
By Randy?need any help with the granite slab you placed at the locker room door?  Hate to have that tied around your neck on the way down.

 

[nutman]

So he is not fired yet!!!.  Looks like wed.

 

[Redleaf]

Another coach that may be available.

Barry Trotz won't be back as Nashville coach: http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2014/04/14/barry-trotz-out-as-nashville-predators-coach/7696215/?sf24994954=%5B%271%27%5D

Anybody know what style of coach he is?

Who cares, as long as he's able to talk Shea Weber into coming along with him to the Leafs, I'm on board.

 

[bustaheims]

So he is not fired yet!!!.  Looks like wed.

I'm not sure it'll happen this week, but, it's gonna happen soon.

 

[L K]

So he is not fired yet!!!.  Looks like wed.

I'm not sure it'll happen this week, but, it's gonna happen soon.

Unless they have a guy they clearly feel is at a risk of signing elsewhere, there really isn't a huge rush.  As long as they get a guy signed before the draft/free agency so you can have short-term and long-term planning discussions for the team/roster. 

The coach shouldn't be the primary decision maker on drafting players, but they can certainly be another important opinion in the room at least in the first round or two.

 

[Bender]

Its called "Fat Cat Syndrome" and it affects those who reach a certain if not elevated stretch of success, you work, the rewards go up, you invest in new business which take your time and energy and all of a sudden you forget what brought you to the ball. Its a mental focus and I just watched Shannohan today in the conference and was directly affected by his focus. This is a no bull#$#% no surrender fellow and believe me, that "Tings are gonna change".
By Randy?need any help with the granite slab you placed at the locker room door?  Hate to have that tied around your neck on the way down.

How does this have anything to do with motivation? That's absolutely preposterous if you ask me. It seems so disingenuous to me when you have mounds and mounds of actual data that presents the team as one that has a coach that has completely nosedived on possession and defensive systems, along with a number of players who, quite frankly, are not that good at creating any kind of offense.

Some need to go, but I really don't think it's for a lack of effort or buy in. These players aren't idiots, and didn't, as a group, just decide they collectively forgot how to play hockey.

How many players are honestly happy and not frustrated having to ride the pine if they play poorly? And how many times since before Sundin even left that the leafs lacked an identity and a strong compete level.

And you go on about money reducing motivation? Come on. If this were true EVERY player in the league would be coasting. Ad nauseum execuspeak is all this is. Players play for their pride and their legacy, the feeling of winning instead of constantly getting the feeling of getting trampled on all the time.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Another coach that may be available.

Barry Trotz won't be back as Nashville coach: http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2014/04/14/barry-trotz-out-as-nashville-predators-coach/7696215/?sf24994954=%5B%271%27%5D

Anybody know what style of coach he is?

Who cares, as long as he's able to talk Shea Weber into coming along with him to the Leafs, I'm on board.

RedLeaf is my friend.

 

[93forever]

Another coach that may be available.

Barry Trotz won't be back as Nashville coach: http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2014/04/14/barry-trotz-out-as-nashville-predators-coach/7696215/?sf24994954=%5B%271%27%5D

And from the presser today:

@reporterchris 

Dave Nonis: "I think Randy Carlyle is a good coach. That's as far as I'll go."

Dave Nonis: "I think the coach is good.  I assembled the players.  The players are at fault.  GM and Coach aren't."

Accountability in the management structure of the Leafs is lacking IMO.  Nonis bores me to be honest.  I don't think he really has a track record of being all that good anywhere he has gone.

Shanny was quoted on TSN as saying that he and Nonis will be reviewing the entire team top to bottom and will make the decisions as to who goes/stays after the review.

Nonis cannot say definitely that Carlyle is staying or going.  That would be downright irresponsible.